Originally posted by AzCard:
Originally posted by Uniblocker:
Originally posted by AzCard:
Originally posted by Uniblocker:
The SEC has a stronger conference RPI than the PAC12, so shouldn't you adjust your arbitrary designation of the "power 4" to the "power 5," or does that screw up the anti-SEC/UK narrative you're trying to conjure here? You seem to really know the game in and out.
Since UK is an outsider that hasn't played anybody, let's take a quick look at their schedule
14-0 vs. tourney teams
2-0 vs. the ACC (including yet another W against Louisville)
2-0 vs. the Big 12
3-0 vs. Pac 12/American/Big East
Beat the #2 in their region by 32
3-0 vs. teams in the Sweet 16
Don't let these numbers discourage you from further exposing your ignorance.
This post was edited on 3/24 10:27 AM by Uniblocker
This post was edited on 3/24 10:27 AM by Uniblocker
Oh brother, you're really going to use the RPI???? Kansas is an annual RPI powerhouse. That's pretty much all you need to know about how bad the RPI is. Outside of UK, the SEC is 1-4 in the Men's Bracket. Strong showing there. The SEC is a basketball wasteland and fully deserves to be lumped outside the P4 conferences.
Sorry for selecting a metric that doesn't support the OP's claims. Next time, I'll use a statistic that aligns more with what you want to prove, instead of what actually exists. Why remove UK from the SEC's record? Have they left the SEC? Also, the SEC is 2-4, so with UK it would be 4-4. You claim the SEC is a basketball wasteland, but yet the conference ranks higher than one of the so-called "power 4" and has performed in a similar manner as half of the "power 4" in the tournament. Also, basketball wastelands don't have 8 of the top 25 recruiting classes coming in next year. The SEC has definitely been down, but it is rebounding to its 90's/early 2000 form.
First of all, you selected an irrelevant metric, so you should apologize. Thank you for that. Secondly, using UK has the single reason to justify your argument that the SEC is a viable basketball conference is like using Notre Dame to argue that the collective group of FBS football independents are worthy of being included with the P5 football conferences. It just doesn't wash.
As described by ESPN: the RPI, one of the tools used by the NCAA selection committee to evaluate teams.
I'm not sure irrelevant was the word you were looking for, because if it is used by the selection committee, it is relevant.
Shall we use BPI? Is that up to your standard?
The SEC has 8 teams in the BPI top 50, and 10 in the top 100.
Also, if you look at the Sagarin rankings, the SEC ranks fifth ahead of the PAC 12 (a so-called member of the "power 4"), and is 1.5 points behind the B1G, and 1.6 points behind the ACC, whom ranks behind the Big East, which I found to be surprising. After looking at three advanced metrics, its obvious they are saying pretty much the same thing. Also, considering the SEC got 5, it is clear that it is indeed a good conference, but not great, which no one was ever arguing. I know you guys want the SEC to be a junker conference more than anything, but looking at the metrics, and incoming recruiting, I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Let's discuss the false equivalency you made about UK and ND. If you take UK out, you still have four teams that made the dance. Is that great? Its ok, not great. Did they perform well? No, but after having their whole season evaluated, they got a ticket, which means something, whether you acknowledge its relevance or not. Next, the SEC, with the exception of maybe two seasons, has had at least one team advance Elite Eight, going back to 2003. Are all these trips from UK? No, Bama, UT, Florida, and LSU made it. Florida, as we know, went on to 2 titles, while LSU reached the final four. The Big 12, Pac 12, and B1G cannot say the same thing. This, along with the three different metics, exposes just how false your false equivalency is. So again, we are seeing that the SEC, though they suffered a few down years as of late, has shown consistent success in the tournament. If we went back further, into the 90's, my case would only get stronger. Historically, the SEC is third in tourney bid, which is a good indicator of constant success.
